Non political/political thread

Consider this the non-political, political thread. What I mean by that is I want this thread to be about campaigns and politics, without the nonsense. No Sam saying the President’s bowel movements prove a communist conspiracy or Will’s nonsense about God striking down GLBT voters before the election. (while jacking off to tranny porn)

I want this thread to focus on tactics, polling, etc. For instance in the Presidential Election, when you get right down to it, the 10% in the political middle in the states of VA, OH, AZ, MO, CO, WI, NV, MI and FL are the only people that matter in this election. They decide who the next President is. What issues are playing well with those folks?

Anyone think other states are in play from what I mentioned?
 
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I think there are a lot of interesting states to watch, but I think it comes down to the fact that if President Obama wins Pennsylvania and Ohio, he'll win overall.

Also, what are your thoughts on the whole stupid issue of making the capture of Osama Bin Ladin an election issue? I've watched this closely, and I believe that the President was pushed to making statements about Bin Ladin because the Romney camp ****** the issue.
 

Mayhem

Banned
If I was Obama and the DNC, I wouldn't spend a dime in AZ except for local races. No Presidential campaigning, no national ads. Spend no money there, ***** the RNC to spend no money there and concentrate on the rest of the country. I would make AZ and their batshit governor the laughingstock step-***** of America. It's already lost to the Dems, so why waste any time/money/resources at all?
 
If I was Obama and the DNC, I wouldn't spend a dime in AZ except for local races. No Presidential campaigning, no national ads. Spend no money there, ***** the RNC to spend no money there and concentrate on the rest of the country. I would make AZ and their batshit governor the laughingstock step-***** of America. It's already lost to the Dems, so why waste any time/money/resources at all?

This is pretty sound, actually. I agree with you.
 
I think Indiana and Pennsylvania could make an interesting addition to your list. Having 11 electoral votes, Indiana is a state that bears an amount of electoral weight worth considering. IN voters were with Obama in 2008, the first time the state of IN has given its electoral votes to a Democrat in more than 40 years. It will be interesting to see if '08 was a fluke, or if IN is slowly shifting from Red to Blue (I doubt it, but maybe it is turning purple, i.e. swing). As I've said in other threads, I think the gay marriage issue will play in a lot of Midwest states, and seeing as how IN voters just recently supported a gay marriage ban initiative, it will be interesting to see how their votes are cast.

Pennsylvania as well, could be an interesting watch during this election cycle. 20 electoral votes (down from 21 in the last election) makes PA a pretty big player in the scheme of Presidential electoral politics. Traditionally a swing state, the polling thus far can't really seem to pick one candidate over the other, with most polls favoring Obama by what could essentially amount to any poll's margin of error. PA has an interesting voting history in Presidential elections, and even though the electoral votes of PA haven't gone to a Republican since 1988, the popular vote has been close enough to make some Democratic hopefuls hold their breath.

Most interesting to me, in this election, will be voter turnout. Voter registration and turnout, by and within all groups, exploded during the 2008 election in anticipation of Obama. Not sure how many people will be as motivated this time around. Some previously staunch supporters have soured to Obama, some of the voter turnout was, what I believe to be, a cosmetic, somewhat insincere and unrepeatable phenomenon, and I really do believe that the voter turnout for the last election, especially among young people (18-24) is just going to turn out to have been an anomaly. Never underestimate American apathy. Also, wouldn't be surprised to see Republicans turnout in larger numbers than usual (Republicans, historically, have higher turnout than Democrats do, although the Presidential incumbent party usually has increased turnout regardless, so who knows) as Republicans, for the lack of a better term, seem angrier than usual during this campaign season, and pissed off Republicans usually act, in one way or another, to solve their problems in significant numbers.

I **** politics. But, campaigns and elections, and the involved tactics to campaigning and more importantly, winning, are just too detailed and interesting in my opinion to turn away. Its like a free look into a recurring sociology project.
 
If I was Obama and the DNC, I wouldn't spend a dime in AZ except for local races. No Presidential campaigning, no national ads. Spend no money there, ***** the RNC to spend no money there and concentrate on the rest of the country. I would make AZ and their batshit governor the laughingstock step-***** of America. It's already lost to the Dems, so why waste any time/money/resources at all?

Maybe he shouldn't bother with TX either. He's going to win the border counties and Austin, but outside those areas it's all red meat YUM!! I'm off for a steak!!

And while we're at it, the coal states are probably lost too (VA, WV, PA, KY) after his pronouncement of:

"If they want to build a coal powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them". Now, if you want to talk about the environmental impact of a coal plant, maybe do so in another thread, to keep this one polite for as long as possible, and this isn't about the environment, it's about jobs. Since the coal industry in those states provide a huge amounts of jobs, would you vote for the guy who's threatening to take it from you? Well, maybe PA would be a bit safer for the preezy.

Oh, and if Romney choses Marco Rubio, there goes FL. Definetly the ones off the top of my head that I see safe for Obama are CA, NY, IL, WA, MN, MA, the rest would be toss ups.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
"God striking down GLBT voters before the election." When did I ever say that?

Why do you pop up every so often to troll? :troll:

Ohio and Florida will go to someone else. Unless the election is rigged. Obama is pretty much hated in Ohio and Florida.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Maybe he shouldn't bother with TX either. He's going to win the border counties and Austin, but outside those areas it's all red meat YUM!! I'm off for a steak!!

And while we're at it, the coal states are probably lost too (VA, WV, PA, KY) after his pronouncement of:

"If they want to build a coal powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them". Now, if you want to talk about the environmental impact of a coal plant, maybe do so in another thread, to keep this one polite for as long as possible, and this isn't about the environment, it's about jobs. Since the coal industry in those states provide a huge amounts of jobs, would you vote for the guy who's threatening to take it from you? Well, maybe PA would be a bit safer for the preezy.

Oh, and if Romney choses Marco Rubio, there goes FL. Definetly the ones off the top of my head that I see safe for Obama are CA, NY, IL, WA, MN, MA, the rest would be toss ups.


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I think Indiana And Pennsylvania could make an interesting addition to your list. Having 11 electoral votes, Indiana is a state that bears an amount of electoral weight worth considering. IN voters were with Obama in 2008, the first time the state of IN has given its electoral votes to a Democrat in more than 40 years. It will be interesting to see if '08 was a fluke, or if IN is slowly shifting from Red to Blue (I doubt it, but maybe it is turning purple, i.e. swing). As I've said in other threads, I think the gay marriage issue will play in a lot of Midwest states, and seeing as how IN voters just recently supported a gay marriage ban initiative, it will be interesting to see how their votes are cast.

Interesting point. I can say, with almost certainty, that Indiana will not vote the same way this time. There is too much general resentment here to reelect - the counties with the highest rates of unemployment over the last four years have largely been Indiana. The Auto manufacturing and R.V. industries have been decimated here, and people will just look for a change in administration to make things better, I think.

It was rather remarkable to see Indiana vote Democrat in the last election.
 

Mayhem

Banned
Oh, and if Romney choses Marco Rubio, there goes FL. Definetly the ones off the top of my head that I see safe for Obama are CA, NY, IL, WA, MN, MA, the rest would be toss ups.

Rubio has consistently said he won't take the VP slot. And here is where Romney is going to have his problems. Repubs can never get a decent running mate and this time is no exception. It's my theory that VP selection will hurt/decimate/cripple him with the same centrists and undecideds that some of you think are a lock.

Bush/Quayle, Bush/Cheney, McCain/Palin. This sort of thing is a problem for you Republicans. And I personally believe that no one is biting at VP because, down deep all you guys know that Romney would be a hopeless, helpless disaster as President. You guys know it. So does everyone on the short list and the not-so-short-list. No one wants to be VP to a human Twinkie. No one wants the hollowpoint-to-the-chest of their political career that 4 years in this guys' shadow is going to invite.

And this is where Obama gets re-elected. :thumbsup:
 
...It was rather remarkable to see Indiana vote Democrat in the last election.

Its weird because the bulk of my ****** lives in Indiana, and when I've gone back there to see them over the past 4 years, I talk to people in the community and different places that we go, and I haven't found one person there that would admit that they had voted for Obama. Even after I've told them I'm from California (which is usually good enough to get closeted Midwest Democrats to talk candidly with you) I still couldn't get anyone to admit to it. Well, except for my ***'s coworkers, but she is a professor at a university, so her coworkers are, obviously, academics, so I don't really think that counts. I've been thinking about that concept for years now.

Important state for sure this time around.
 
Any strong union state should go to Obama (i.e. Ohio, Pennsylvania). Florida is a crapshoot since it is so diverse but the Hispanic vote should put the prez over the top by a small margin there as well. Depends on turnout as always but if BO takes Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida he'll win reelection for sure. He'll lose NC this time I would think, also prolly VA. Just a hunch.

I also agree that him spending money in places like AZ, TX or any deep-south state is a waste. Ditto for Romney in NY, CA, IL, MI, MA, WI, MN.

But what do I know? I'm justaman. :D:dunno:
 
I think Florida goes R without Rubio. Last poll I was was wed that had
mitt up 6.

I think, If Indiana is close, Obama wins the election easily. If Pennsylvania is close Romney wins.

And Will, your idiotic comment is what is ****** from this thread. To say "Obama is hated in Ohio and Florida" shows a real lack of understanding of polling, diversity, statistics, and common sense. Obama gets at least 45% in either state, the question is does he get more votes than Mitt. Go home, adults are talking.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
And Will, your idiotic comment is what is ****** from this thread. To say "Obama is hated in Ohio and Florida" shows a real lack of understanding of polling, diversity, statistics, and common sense. Obama gets at least 45% in either state, the question is does he get more votes than Mitt. Go home, adults are talking.

You mean your idiotic comment. I can't wait until Sam comes back and attacks this thread. :D

Obama is pretty much hated in many states. I never said completely. You're not an adult you are a popup troll. :troll:
 
You mean your idiotic comment. I can't wait until Sam comes back and attacks this thread. :D

Obama is pretty much hated in many states. I never said completely. You're not an adult you are a popup troll. :troll:

Wow, Will. Even for you, this is scraping the barrel. This post is simply conclusive proof that you're a troll of the worst kind. Well done.
 
Do you think Romney has any chance with none of these states even in play?
I think Scott Walker beats back the recall effort and that momentum puts Wisconsin in play in November.

As said earlier by others, I'm still surprised that the president carried Indiana in '08. I don't think he can get the numbers out of Gary and counties like Monroe to even be in play.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
And if Walker gets recalled? How do you think that would play into the race for the White House?
 
And if Walker gets recalled? How do you think that would play into the race for the White House?

I think that would be a major surprise. Polls in WI show Walker walking away with the victory which is why the DNC was hesitant about sending $$ to WI. Now from what I hear, they are finally going to send some $$. Now, if Walker is defeated, money well spent and will serve as an example of what will happen to any Rep. Governors (or senators, representatives, etc) that dare to defy the unions. If not, I'll quote Nelson Muntz (haw-haw) PLUS if you count all the union $$$ that's been used there, DNC + unions (same thing) ****** $$ that could have been used for the elections in Nov.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Wow, Will. Even for you, this is scraping the barrel. This post is simply conclusive proof that you're a troll of the worst kind. Well done.

Not at all. Remember Sam is coming back. I guess you will run away ****** when he does. Just like last time. :tongue:

You two should meet. I want to see that on video. ;)
 
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