Are you for or against same sex marriage?
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member2686
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I'm definitely for it.
It's about time another country legalized it, allowing more people of the world to see that people of hetero, homo, and bisexual orientations can enter into loving, committed/monogamous, stable relationships all with equal sincerity, love, and legitimacy.
Kudos to Canada! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :nanner:
It's about time another country legalized it, allowing more people of the world to see that people of hetero, homo, and bisexual orientations can enter into loving, committed/monogamous, stable relationships all with equal sincerity, love, and legitimacy.
Kudos to Canada! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :nanner:
member2686
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What's with the "Diet mcrocket" of the last two days? Telling bad jokes and being non-confrontational (more or less), even downright silly at times.... :eek: Have you turned over a new leaf, mcrocket? LOL! 
Let's keep your thread serious, though. It's a good topic and could spur on some good discussion, but I fear it will be overwhelmed with ignorant homophobic and xenophobic posts here shortly. I hope not, but I can see it coming... :eek:
Let's keep your thread serious, though. It's a good topic and could spur on some good discussion, but I fear it will be overwhelmed with ignorant homophobic and xenophobic posts here shortly. I hope not, but I can see it coming...
:eek: Nightfly said:What's with the "Diet mcrocket" of the last two days? Telling bad jokes and being non-confrontational (more or less), even downright silly at times.... :eek: Have you turned over a new leaf, mcrocket? LOL!
Let's keep your thread serious, though. It's a good topic and could spur on some good discussion, but I fear it will be overwhelmed with ignorant homophobic and xenophobic posts here shortly. I hope not, but I can see it coming...
A new leaf? Me? Nope. Just realizing mine and this board's limitations; that's all.
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Nightfly said:Let's keep your thread serious, though. It's a good topic and could spur on some good discussion, but I fear it will be overwhelmed with ignorant homophobic and xenophobic posts here shortly. I hope not, but I can see it coming...
This is why I suspect this will be a pointless thread. If you think homosexual marriage isn't a good idea, you will automatically be labeled a homophobe, etc. That is what I always here from various gay marriage advocates in the media. They believe heterosexuality and homosexuality are equal in every way and if you don't agree, you are by definition a homophobe. A bigot.
Well put.
member2686
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Well, if you can explain why all men and women should NOT have equal protection under the laws of their land (whether relating to race, age, sex, sexual orientation, national origin/ethnicity), to be considered in all things as equal human beings free to enjoy the same rights and privileges, I'd say go for it. I'm listening... I've never been convinced that some people should be "less equal" or "rightly segregated" from others based upon any of those referenced characteristics, but if you or others have a compelling reason to feel that way, perhaps you can explain it to us.
No doubt we'll get some religious or faith-based references here, but I think I've pretty well heard all of those. Maybe someone will post some new ideas in this regard. Even if we disagree, that doesn't necessary mean the discussion is "pointless." Discussion, or debate even, often has a positive effect on all involved -- despite disagreement. Only when things ******* into name-calling and ignorant insults does it become without merit, IMHO.
Shoot anyway, The Fog... What's on your mind?
No doubt we'll get some religious or faith-based references here, but I think I've pretty well heard all of those. Maybe someone will post some new ideas in this regard. Even if we disagree, that doesn't necessary mean the discussion is "pointless." Discussion, or debate even, often has a positive effect on all involved -- despite disagreement. Only when things ******* into name-calling and ignorant insults does it become without merit, IMHO.
Shoot anyway, The Fog... What's on your mind?
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Sigh........
I really don't want to get into a debate on this. I should have kept my big mouth shut.
All I'll say is that marriage is and has (unless you can find some very rare or unusal exceptions) by defintion been between a man and a woman. This makes sense because men and woman, despite our present day silly view on this, are different. They thus compliment each other in the raising of a ******.
Look, what two people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their business and who people want to leave their money, etc., to in their will is also their business. But what society sanctions as its norm is another matter.
And, btw, if you are in favor of homosexual marriage, there is simply no way, in good conscience, you can also not be in favor of polygamy. Are you? And if not, why not?
I really don't want to get into a debate on this. I should have kept my big mouth shut.
All I'll say is that marriage is and has (unless you can find some very rare or unusal exceptions) by defintion been between a man and a woman. This makes sense because men and woman, despite our present day silly view on this, are different. They thus compliment each other in the raising of a ******.
Look, what two people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their business and who people want to leave their money, etc., to in their will is also their business. But what society sanctions as its norm is another matter.
And, btw, if you are in favor of homosexual marriage, there is simply no way, in good conscience, you can also not be in favor of polygamy. Are you? And if not, why not?
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member2686
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How does polygamy enter into this discussion AT ALL? You lost me there... :dunno:
:dunno: As far as I am concerned. If a guy or gal wants to marry a table lamp - it's fine with me.
And sanctity of marriage. A divorce rate between 30 and 40% - how much sanctity is there?
I do not mind if someone wants to marry a car, another man, a woman, 5 women or ten women. As long as they all agree - what is it my business. Or anyone else's?
You would not be a Mormon by any chance would you The Fog?
And sanctity of marriage. A divorce rate between 30 and 40% - how much sanctity is there?
I do not mind if someone wants to marry a car, another man, a woman, 5 women or ten women. As long as they all agree - what is it my business. Or anyone else's?
You would not be a Mormon by any chance would you The Fog?
I chose For because if we start letting our government tell us who we can and can't marry then that leads to a whole host of problems. If governments decide that same sex marriages are bad (no matter what the religous beliefs are) then what's to stop them from going after interracial relationships (which would apply to me) and relationships between adults of different ages. As for polygamy. I'm not in favor of polygamy because marriage should between two people. What do you need with more than one wife? That's like having more than one girlfriend. No thanks. One's enough.
Nightfly said:How does polygamy enter into this discussion AT ALL? You lost me there...
First to mcrocket: No, I am not a Mormon. And marry a car or table lamp?
Isn't there a little smiley face to show I am rolling my eyes. No offense, but c'mon.
To answer the question: it seems obvious to me. Once you say that marriage is no longer just between a man and a woman. That two men or two women can get married. By what right or logic do you say that marriage must only be between two people?
For example, I know Nina Hartley and her husband share a female lover. Why shouldn't they be allowed, if they so choose, to make that relationship legal?
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member2686
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Well said, darkwarrior3007. Indeed, interracial marriages HAVE been prohibited in the USA's past. People mention societal "norms," and that's the scary part of some thought processes on these matters - some people forget about what is morally right in order to adhere to society's status quo. That's very easy to do if you're in the majority group. They say they don't have ill-will, etc. but they seem to forget things such as how it used to be society's norm (and legal) to own slaves and to separate people in public by race, for example. That was the "norm," but it was wrong and it is now *******, thank God.
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What 2 consenting adults do either Gay or Straight is none of my business.. so let gays marry...same sex marriage is a union of love..lets get the goverment out of the marriage business and make them start running the countries they are elected to serve
If two people love each other then fine. Love and let love. Who am I to say who should be together and who should not?
However, I am only in favor if they are prohibited from having/raising ********. My concerns lie primarily in the ******** and the deviant behavior that *may* arise as a result of being raised in a homosexual marriage. Nothing has been proven or disproven yet (I don't think) about the effects on ********, but I just think that any couple that strays from the norm has a likelihood of negatively affecting the *****. Now a *** doesn't know any better, but he/she will probably face scrutiny by other ********. In highschool, when the adolescent is developing his/her own sexual orientation (susceptible to objection, I know) they may feel even more stress and confusion in an already stressful time in their life.
It's possible that gay marriage (with ****) will be equally as good as a hetero marriage as long as both parents are committed and love each other. But my humble opinion is that a homosexual marriage by nature is harder to maintain (which I will not get into) and there is a likelihood that the negative effects will outweigh the benefits.
However, I am only in favor if they are prohibited from having/raising ********. My concerns lie primarily in the ******** and the deviant behavior that *may* arise as a result of being raised in a homosexual marriage. Nothing has been proven or disproven yet (I don't think) about the effects on ********, but I just think that any couple that strays from the norm has a likelihood of negatively affecting the *****. Now a *** doesn't know any better, but he/she will probably face scrutiny by other ********. In highschool, when the adolescent is developing his/her own sexual orientation (susceptible to objection, I know) they may feel even more stress and confusion in an already stressful time in their life.
It's possible that gay marriage (with ****) will be equally as good as a hetero marriage as long as both parents are committed and love each other. But my humble opinion is that a homosexual marriage by nature is harder to maintain (which I will not get into) and there is a likelihood that the negative effects will outweigh the benefits.
member2686
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lol True! Most of the deviant people I know are also heterosexual!!! hehe We're a wild lot, we straight folks!
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