Iamforever
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yes they do. this makes me scared. what will happen when grady's contract is up in 4-5 years. the tribe will not pay what stienny will. :weeping:
Eli Manning vs Tiki Barber
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look here... I never said his microscope has nothing to do with the "manning pedigree". It does... but he brought even more of this **** on himself when he chose to bitch and complain about possibly going to SanDiego. Everybody knows they were garbage at the time and it looked bleek. That applies to every team that low in the draft.
He fucked up when he did all that bitching and got to New York and has yet to deliver and live up to what he was supposed to be.
Iamforever
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that low? didnt san diego have the first pick? the giants had fourth pick.
look... for a long while the chargers sucked. hence:
LT
Ryan Leaf
Q. Jammer
these was i believe top 10 picks before Manning came out
Iamforever
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well, did the chargers and the giants both have top 4 picks when the manning/rivers thing happened or not?
yes they did... the point is the chargers wasn't doing shyt about going to the playoffs for a number of years. Everybody knew the Giants wasn't going the be at the low end of the draft on a regular basis.
He and everybody else "knew" the Giants was going to be back in the playoffs before the damn Chargers
He and everybody else "knew" the Giants was going to be back in the playoffs before the damn Chargers
Iamforever
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why? because its the new york media that controls what the giants do? eli wanted to go there because he wanted to be his *******. and because he wanted to have a career. monkey see, monkey do. the chargers being **** means less than you think.
and everybody but me and the lot who saw san diego coming with lt alone was wrong.
that's exactly what I've been saying... I'm talking less about the chargers being **** or not than I'm talking about your qoute:
"his loser mentality has nothing to do with this."
It has everything to do with this. I say "have a career" in SanDiego where they was going to draft you at. To turn down a challenge is to be a fucking loser and he turned down that challenge to instead play in NY where he felt better about his chances at having a career.
Then on top of that he can't deliver...
I think Eli is an ok quarterback and that's probably what he's going to be. Maybe in his very best years he will be borderline pro-bowl...maybe. He's not Grossman or anything. He's also not quite as bad as some people think. I will even go as far as to say that he's not the biggest problem for the team. On the other hand he is never going to be Peyton like some people thought he was going to be either. The Giants fans that thought that just have to face that reality.
I can say that in the trade that draft day the Giants got fleeced. There just is no way that Eli is equivalent to Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, and even another two drafts pick they threw in for him. It might go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history. I wouldn’t say it’s as bad as the Babe Ruth trade to the Yankees, but it’s probably right up there with the Jeff Bagwell trade from Boston to Houston in MLB for a 36 year old Larry Anderson and the Eric Lindros for Peter Forsberg trade in the NHL which also included Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, and a 1st round selection which was later turned into Patrick Roy. It's looking to be one of the worst in sports history. I know it's hindsight, but to justify a trade that lopsided Eli would have to play like Peyton.
I still don't know why he had so big of an issue with San Diego. With a team like Detroit or maybe the way Oakland has been the last few years I could perhaps see why a player might be that unhappy because the way the team is run is such a ridiculous mess. I didn't get that from San Diego, even back then. I bet Eli feels stupid now that San Diego has been one of the best teams in the league for years now and he's stuck with a declining team in the media spotlight.
Iamforever
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dude, ive been saying from the beginning that he is the victim of his bloodline. he wants to be his *******. you argued that it wasnt the case.
actually come to think of it... It was also a money issue similar to Jamarcus Russell. You compound that with the fact that the Chargers weren't anybody's playoff pick anytime soon and that's why he avoided SanDiego.
It's still mighty "hoeish" of him to tell them "don't fuck around and pick me". That's sandlot pickup football type stuff...
Iamforever
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duh, it was a money issue.
Yeah I agree. San Diego was a bad team, but they had nowhere to go but up at that point. There wasn't GM turmoil (read: Matt Millen), and it seemed like they would have to be better. I will forever pull for Phillip Rivers because of Eli's selfishness. I wouldn't be bothered if Eli never won another game.:2 cents:
noooooo.... bro I never said he didn't want to have a career like his *******. Unless you can quote me in context... i don't recall sayn that.
My argument with you was "his loser mentality has nothing to do with this." That's what I was addressing.
I don't know. For well over a decade now draft picks have basically been paid by where they were drafted. Being the first overall pick Eli would have probably been paid more than any other player to get picked with even a little bonus considering he played quarterback. With Jamarcus Russell, I don't know about. I have also read some stories where the Raiders are screwing him around and are trying to get out of or make as much of the contract non-guaranteed as possible. I have heard he wants a deal similar to what Calvin Johnson got in Detroit. Of course I have heard he also doesn't want to play for the Raiders. Then again they are the Raiders and about as dysfunctional as you can get. If I had to play for them I would want as much money guaranteed as I could get. I wouldn't want to be cut in two years and end up severely shortchanged because the team sucked and Al Davis might be getting senile and doesn’t know what he’s doing anymore.
this was my point... his #1 problem
Iamforever
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you said the manning pedigree wasnt the drive for it. i say it is.
^^^
Iamforever
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i do know where he gets it from. his *** wasnt a winning qb either, like i said before. just because manning is his last name doesnt mean he is going to be a winner. stop thinking he should be a winner and give him a break.
Iamforever
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whats your point here?
