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[meesterperfect]

lem didnt take the money and go into mexico. it was only a matter of time before they cracked him. :2 cents:

Yeah I think your right BUT maybe you understand this better than me, If so please explain.
In the first episode this season( Titled On the Jones), Claudette told the guys something about Lem not having a deal with Kavenaugh or something. It was vague but I think very important. When Shane heard what she said He looked like he was gonna ****, as if he realized he didn'tneed to **** Lem.
If you saw that, what was that all about because I'm not sure I got it.
Thanks

 

[Iamforever]

Yeah I think your right BUT maybe you understand this better than me, If so please explain.
In the first episode this season( Titled On the Jones), Claudette told the guys something about Lem not having a deal with Kavenaugh or something. It was vague but I think very important. When Shane heard what she said He looked like he was gonna ****, as if he realized he didn'tneed to **** Lem.
If you saw that, what was that all about because I'm not sure I got it.
Thanks

actually i think you did get it.


it turns out that kavenaugh was just as corrupt than mackey. kavenaugh was hell bent on taking down mackey that he would lie about deals, plant evidence, and get a witness to lie about mackey. lem died because of a bogus deal. i hope this clarifies it for you.

 

[Big P13]

its only justifiable in vic's point of view.

We haven't been speaking in terms of Vic's point of view though. We've been speaking in terms of audience point of view. I guess I could have understood your point better if you'd been more clear that you had shifted that part of the dicussion to a different view point.

its not an oxymoron.

Actually, that's exactly what that was.

Yeah I think your right BUT maybe you understand this better than me, If so please explain.
In the first episode this season( Titled On the Jones), Claudette told the guys something about Lem not having a deal with Kavenaugh or something. It was vague but I think very important. When Shane heard what she said He looked like he was gonna ****, as if he realized he didn'tneed to **** Lem.
If you saw that, what was that all about because I'm not sure I got it.
Thanks

Actually, I think you pretty much summed it up perfectly there. They thought that Lem had made some kind of deal with Kavenaugh, and found out after Kavenaugh had been arreste and made the deal with full disclosure, that he hadn't.

 

[Big P13]

it turns out that kavenaugh was just as corrupt than mackey.

Well, he wasn't as corrupt as Mackey until he dealt with Mackey, and him lying to them about Lem making a deal with him was not at all a part of what made him corrupt. He was just using a tactic on them that they would have used on any criminal that they were investigating. It's basically like the "Oh man, your buddie's talking. You better talk faster so you can get the deal we were going to give him" tactic.


On another note. I really didn't like Forest Whitaker on the show when he first appeard, but they way the let us watch his character crash and burn, and basically self destruct has really made me enjoy his presence.

 

[meesterperfect]

Yes thats right, now I get it, they thought there was a deal with kavenaugh. because I think acevedo told them, But there wasn't. Still Lem was facing how many years in prison had he turned himself in? I think it was 18 months.
Damn I gotta watch it again,,,,,,,,,

 

[Iamforever]

Well, he wasn't as corrupt as Mackey until he dealt with Mackey, and him lying to them about Lem making a deal with him was not at all a part of what made him corrupt. He was just using a tactic on them that they would have used on any criminal that they were investigating. It's basically like the "Oh man, your buddie's talking. You better talk faster so you can get the deal we were going to give him" tactic.
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i agree. but the planting of evidence and perjury was what made him corrupt.

 

[Big P13]

i agree. but the planting of evidence and perjury was what made him corrupt.

Well...yeah...:1orglaugh

 

[Big P13]

I also think that the fact that Kavenaugh got caught speaks to the fact that he really wasn't just as corrupt as Mackey. If he were just as corrupt, he would have gotten away with it!

 

[Iamforever]

I also think that the fact that Kavenaugh got caught speaks to the fact that he really wasn't just as corrupt as Mackey. If he were just as corrupt, he would have gotten away with it!

nah, that just means he wasnt as good at it as mackey is. :1orglaugh


when kavenaugh turned himself in, i gained some respect for him. yes, his witness was beginning to crack, but his conscience was eating him up. :2 cents:

 

[Big P13]

Yeah, Kavenaugh was an honest man, and they showed that when he wasn't even going to cut his ex-wife a break. He did the wrong thing for what he thought was the right reason, but it was definately a case of consience that got him in the end.

 

[meesterperfect]

Yeah its a good thing Vic didn't **** her (emolia) when he had the chance, but then again Kavenaugh walked in or he might have. Keeping her alive worked out great for him. But then again had he ****** her Lem would still be alive.
I think we may not have seen the last of ol Kavenaugh.

 

[meesterperfect]

Ok IamF or big p13 please help me. I know I missed something having to do with Lems final plea deal and the reason why Shane now knows he really didnt need to **** Lem( from the info claudette told them in the opening episode this season).
Its been bugging me and I tried to find it on the net but didn't find anything that detailed.
Ok Lem had a deal with the D.A. to do not a whole lot of time in jail. But, Kavenaugh got to Antwon, and Antwon told Vic Lem is a dead man no matter what prison he's in.
So Lem fled at Vics behest, therfore ******* the deal with the D.A., and Vic and the boys devised a plan for Lem to live in Mexico or Guadamala forever.
Thats all I really got.....I Think Lem had another deal at the time of his ******.But not sure what it really was. Did they tell us?
I know Kavenaugh and Aceveda lied to Vic and Shane about some fake deal in which Lem would give them up, which is what prompted Shane to do what he did.
But also, if there was a true deal Lem had at the time of his death, I don't recall him telling Shane about it, just saying he isn't going to Mexico.
So please help me, its really bugging me.
What was Lems final deal with the D.A.? And what did Kavenaugh and Ass-ivedo tell Vic it was?
If you can clarify this I would be grateful.One Shield fan to another.

 

[Big P13]

You know, this is kind of muddy for me at this point too. I think all the time between these two seasons has made me forget a lot about the finer details of last season. I'm not sure what deal he had left. I really don't think he had any deal left after he fled.

I also don't remember exactly what it was that Kavenaugh and Aceveda told the Strike Team to make them think that Lem might roll.

Sorry, I can't be very helpful with this question.

 

[pancha]

Lots of great discussion! I love it!!! there are so many things to cover here, where do I start?

1. kavenaugh
IMO he was just a hard-ass who couldn't follow through. the only reason he confessed was because it would have looked worse if Emolia told Claudette every detail first. he was so hell-bent on getting Vic, mostly stemming from the fact that Vic made it personal by banging his wife!!:1orglaugh
he is NOT honorable by any means.

2. as for the show in general, there is one more season after this. I am not sure, but i think this season runs into early June (there is another show starting, i forget the name) I think they are going to give the time slot to the new show, much like they did with Dirt and the one before (Thief, or something like that)
I've seen in many interviews and some extras (maybe from the DVDs, can't remember) the cast members And writers (Shawn Ryan particularly) that there is just to many things to resolve in just this season alone.

3. As for Lem, the poor guy got screwed! He was not going to break. He had so many opportunities to roll over, and ****** them all. he was so stressed out that he was throwing up ***** for christ sake!
Kavenaugh used Aceveda to spread the RUMOR that Lem was offering to give up the team in hopes that Vic would lead him to lem, so that at the VERY LEAST, he could get Vic for aiding and abetting, which would give him minimal jail time, but would make him lose his badge. the whole story about Lem cutting a deal was bullshit!
Shane bought it though, and when Lem said he wasn't going to Mexico, that was the final thing that made Shane believe it was true.
Lem's original deal was just jailtime for him, but after hearing of Antoine Mitchell's threats, the team made him run for his own life, thus negating his original deal with the D.A.
He later met with the lawyer (Rebecca, I believe). She told him his deal, which was just him, was no good, and the only way that the D.A. would listen was if he gave up something on the whole team. he said no, that he would not turn on his "******" and that he would give them more on just him. that is when he told her that he was responsible for ripping of the money train. he instructs her to give hem the new info and tells her to get him his new deal before taking off again.

hope this clears the air a bit.
Man I LOVE this show! :banger:

 

[pancha]

one more thing. . . if I remember correctly, Vic doesn't have an appeals hearing. that was some bogus crap made up by Claudette to make him behave so that the Strike Team functions properly. After all, he job is on the line and well as the future of the ****.
I think the City Controller is going to find this out and when Vic hears about it, then I think the **** really hits the fan!

 

[meesterperfect]

Ok Thanks to both of you. Sooooo, Lem Didn't have a deal, He could have, but refused it(now I'm remembering what his lawyer said to him in the park, by the way, did vic fuck her or just kiss her?), Ok so he refused to go down Mexico way and was just gonna do the time(how much?)
Meanwhile Ass-ivida on the behest of Kav. tells Vic he actually accepted the deal, and he was gonna roll. Thats why when they were waiting for Lem after they shook thier tails they were worried he already rolled(especially Ronnie), but Shane was like"no we stay and wait, he'll show", knowing he was already dead.Then they saw the cop cars speeding by.
I think thats about it, But I still feel I missed something, gotta see that season 5 final episode again.

 

[meesterperfect]

one more thing. . . if I remember correctly, Vic doesn't have an appeals hearing. that was some bogus crap made up by Claudette to make him behave so that the Strike Team functions properly. After all, he job is on the line and well as the future of the ****.
I think the City Controller is going to find this out and when Vic hears about it, then I think the **** really hits the fan!

Yeah, that was the city controller who's ******** was a druggie? They called him "a good or important friend" of the police.Yeah that guys gonna tell Vic there never was a hearing. Thats gonna be bad.

 

[Iamforever]

Yeah, that was the city controller who's ******** was a druggie? Yeah that guys gonna tell Vic there never was a hearing. Thats gonna be bad.

im almost waiting for this to happen as much as what vic is going to do with shane, or vice versa.

 

[Big P13]

Did Claudette actually say there was no appeals hearing, or did she just say that Mackey's out at the end of the month no matter what? Like he'll have a hearing for the sake of appearance, but the matter has already been decided. It seems to me that it would be a matter of procedure that they would have to give Vic an appeals hearing.

 

[meesterperfect]

Did Claudette actually say there was no appeals hearing, or did she just say that Mackey's out at the end of the month no matter what? Like he'll have a hearing for the sake of appearance, but the matter has already been decided. It seems to me that it would be a matter of procedure that they would have to give Vic an appeals hearing.

No she flat out said there is no hearing, she lied to make Vic "behave" in his last few weeks.